In this heated moment from his GAFollowers interview, Dr. Umar directly challenges an engaged man over interracial relationships — and what many people dismiss as “just preference.”

The popular Pan-Africanist, who condemns interracial marriage, received gasps from the crowd when he gave his explanation on why he believes a Black man chooses to date a white woman. According to the Black American activist, Black men date white men as a form of surrender to white America. What starts as a conversation quickly turns into an uncomfortable breakdown of love, race, identity, and the deeper implications people don’t want to talk about. As with many of Dr. Umar’s opinions on interracial relationships, his latest comments sparked strong reactions from viewers—some speculated that he “was hurt by a white woman in high school and never got over it,” while others supported his perspective.